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Can someone tell me if an upgrade to the Trumpet News Reader exists?
I would like to decode (extract multiple files).
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Subject: Re: problem with winsock.lib

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Insitu Inc.) writes:
   Can someone help me, I'm sure there's a simple solution to this behaviour.

   When I build my winsock application I link in the winsock.lib file. When the application starts, if it cannot find a winsock.dll anywhere in the path then it bombs out with a system modal "Cannot find WINSOCK.DLL" and the application never
   starts. This message occurs before my applcaition starts and reaches the point
   where I call WSAStartUp to test for a valid WINSOCK.DL

   If none is found I handle that error correctly, but of course I can't test this since the app
   never starts.

   I have tried the following to track down what's occurring

   1./ I break just before the first winsock call I ever make (WSAStartUp)
   2./ I try and load the DLL directly using loadlibrary to see if that fails
   3./ Break at the very start of my program

   None of these work if there is NO winsock.dll anywhere in the search path

   I suspect some startup code has been linked into my app and it is that which is failing. I have tried several winsock.lib's. They are all 4096 bytes long and vary in date.

   Has anyone seen this?
   Has anyone fixed this?
   Who actually controls the winsock.lib
   Is there source code for it?

   Hope you can help

   Paul
   [e-mail]

If you link to winsock.dll, this is what will happen. It is windows that is
loading the dll, and generating this message. The only way not to have this
happen would be not to link to winsock.dll (or import from winsock.dll),
then load the library, and then import the API.

Pat
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From [e-mail] Fri Mar  4 16:00:25 1994
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Subject: Re: I'm ready to spend money - free and shareware WINSOCK not ok

In article <[e-mail]>,
Peter R. Tattam <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Pete Holsberg)
>>Subject: Re: I'm ready to spend money - free and shareware WINSOCK not ok
>>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 02:08:01 GMT
>
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ashok Aiyar) writes:
>>>From: [e-mail] (Ashok Aiyar)
>>>Subject: Re: I'm ready to spend money - free and shareware WINSOCK not ok
>>>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 01:16:19 GMT
>
>>>In article <2k90jk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Karl Denninger) writes:
>
>>>>Right now there is, IMHO, NO stable Shareware/Freeware Windows selection
>>>>available with internal communications and dial scripting capability.
>
>
>>I've had the experience of having everything stop for periods of from seconds
>>to 10s of seconds while using Trumpet Winsock, but I thought that was caused
>>by the SLIP server.
>
>
>Sigh...  quite amusing this little thread...
>
>so.....could you be suffering from "Washing machine" syndrome?
>or is it "lack-of-16550-itis"  ?
>
>:-)
>
>Peter
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So this is why you didn't even answer my original email to you?  Those who
have flamed me for posting before sending Peter email -- I sent email first
-- he just thought it was my washing machine that was causing the problem
and thus did not deign to respond to my query.

I will note the following, Peter, since you prefer to impugn people's
ability and their knowledge rather than look for the source of trouble:

1)    I have 13 years of experience with networking and computers.
2)    I run an Internet provider service, MCSNet, which is widely
    regarded as the most successful in Chicagoland.
3)    I have built two national backbones, both of which run TCP/IP,
    and one of which had <30,000> nodes.
4)    I am a Telebit Netblazer and PC expert.
5)    My Windows PC has 16550AFN serial ports.
6)    I do network consulting for international and US firms daily.

7)    And most importantly, Chameleon Winsock works PERFECTLY with the
    exact same hardware and application mix that your software fails
    on.  Further, with a few tweaks I can run at 115kbps on Chameleon
    with zero trouble.  So much for it being "the washing machine"
    or "lack-of-16550-itis".  More like crappy-code-itis.

Since Netmanage has seen fit to include a version of their code on the
disk in the back of the Internet Tour Guide for Windows, your lack of
past response, snide response here, and the fact that while I could not get
your package to work reliably despite several evenings of effort -- while
on the same hardware the Chameleon software installed in 5 minutes and works
perfectly -- will cause me, and my users, to purchase the book rather than
register your shareware.

What a difference attitude makes.  Don't you agree?  I'd say that cost you
at least 100 registrations from my service alone, and I'm telling all the
other service providers in the country I can get ahold of what they should
recommend as well - on the strength of "it just works".

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From [e-mail] Sat Mar  5 04:40:12 1994
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Subject: WINSOCK?!?! WHERE CAN I GET IT?

basically that's it.  where is it available?  is its ftp-able from somewhere,
or must i order it?  and where do i get it from?

thanks in advance,
markus
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Subject: Re: WinQVT/Net - Picking on details!

>Qvtnet is just too buggy - something is always wrong with each new version that
>came out, including 3.97.

Ok, so what do you use for an ftpd ?  I've tried qvtnet and it IS buggy and
I've tried wftpd ... buggier !!

Is there a good background don't know your there type ftpd around for winsock ?

  -- Ken
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Subject: Trumpet problems with WFW 3.11


I'm having problems running Trumpet with WFW 3.11. I've read in this news
group that there may be a fix for this. Is there a FAQ I can obtain that
explains how to make Trumpet work with WFW 3.11? Is there another program
(other than Trumpet) that I can use for Winsock? Thank you for your help.

Gennady Ushman                  |    [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Mar  5 07:08:12 1994
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Subject: WLPRSPL 3.1a problems...

Hello all... now that Dave Brooks' WinLPD has the capacity to print
PCL, PostScript, etc., I decided to take a look at the WLPRSPL program
(it allows you to set up a network printer as a queue on your own
machine, and then print to that queue from any Windows program as if
the network machine were directly connected to you).  Unfortunately,
I am having problems, and want to know if anyone else is experiencing
them and/or knows how to solve them.

Basically, my main problem is that most applications print to the queue,
the queue gets sent to the network machine, the WinLPD daemon on that
machine processes it (but does not print anything), and then the whole
process starts over again.  Literally, I can watch the WLPRSPL queue
window and see the same job queued over and over and over... it went over
50 times once before I decided that nothing was going to improve.

Anyone see this before?  Suggestions as to what to do?  Thanks a lot in
advance...

Jason


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Subject: Re: XWin Question

In article <2kqog1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Anant Kartik Mithal) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Anant Kartik Mithal)
>Subject: Re: XWin Question
>Date: 27 Feb 1994 10:24:01 -0800

> In article <2ko3gg$[e-mail]>, David Yeh
> >When I try to rexec to a host with XWin, it gives me the message USER:
> >undefined variable.  Can you direct me to a host that you know works so that
> > I can test it out?

> While I can't help you with your specific query, I have found that it
> helps with debugging to do the following:

> -      connect to the host using a standard telnet client (like QVT)
> -      Set the DISPLAY environment to point to my machine (which for
>         me is the dynamic name assigned me by slip)
> -      start Xwin on my computer
> -      Start xterm in the telnet session

> this will cause xterm to start on my computer, and all the debugging
> info sent back by Xterm will show up in the telnet session.

Just to add my own two cents to Kartiks good advice. I notice that XWindows
apps open alot faster when i call them from a telnet session with xwindemo
running in the background (xterm opens in 5 seconds as opposed to 20 seconds
when I call an xterm window with xwindemo's rexec).